Burt and Bob Hilliard

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Burt and Bob Hilliard

Postby An Enormous BB Fan » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:12 pm

I wonder why Burt didn't continue writing songs with Bob Hilliard. I think Burt found greater success with Hilliard in those early years considering that they wrote two big hits together -- Tower of Strength and Any Day Now. So I'm thinking why wouldn't Burt have forged a more permanent alliance with Hilliard at that time? I'm wondering if their personalities didn't quite mesh. Otherwise, why leave Hilliard and look for someone else to write songs with? (Hilliard was 10 years older than Burt. Hal was 7 years older than Burt. So I don't think it was an age difference kind of thing.)

I also wonder if Hilliard was kicking himself after Burt and Hal and Dionne made such an enormous impact on the music world and on the charts. I mean, it could have been Bacharach & Hilliard all those years. Hilliard died in 1971 at the age of 53. Awfully young. I wonder what he died from. Wiki doesn't say. Hilliard also wrote "Our Day Will Come," which was one of the gigantic hits of that era. What a great song!

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Re: Burt and Bob Hilliard

Postby Martin Johnson » Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:55 am

Of course, the other major hit Bacharach wrote with Bob Hilliard was 'Please Stay'. Zoot Money was the first to slow it down and reveal the deep pathos in the song, a recording from 1964 that inspired both the hit UK version by the Crying Shames a couple of years later and Elvis Costello's take on the song from the 90s. Bacharach stated during his interview with Michael Grade during the 'A Life in Song' show at the Festival Hall last year that he was proud of the songs he wrote with Bob Hilliard, none more than this I should imagine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fcMsUAbq24

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Re: Burt and Bob Hilliard

Postby An Enormous BB Fan » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:14 am



One of Burt's greatest melodies! Such pathos (as you say) and such longing. And such a great song for slow dancing. And, again, with hits like this, I can't help wondering why Burt and Hilliard didn't stay together as a team after such success.

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Re: Burt and Bob Hilliard

Postby Martin Johnson » Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:49 am

If Bob Hilliard had still been around when Bacharach had split with Hal David in the 70s the chances are that they would have worked together again and who knows how many terrific songs they would have written. One other collaboration I wish could have borne more fruit was Bacharach's with Neil Simon, if their extraordinary 'Seconds' is anything to go by.

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Re: Burt and Bob Hilliard

Postby pljms » Sat Apr 02, 2016 3:44 pm

I've always loved this particular Bacharach/Hilliard song which has been covered by many artists including, curiously enough, several reggae stars. I've always had a soft spot for Ry Cooder's version, possibly because it was the first recording I heard of the song.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Cci6Jn2t-Y
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Re: Burt and Bob Hilliard

Postby Martin Johnson » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:53 am

Other Bacharach/Hilliard collaborations include 'Waiting for Charlie to Come Home', 'Three Wheels on My Wagon', 'The Answer to Everything', 'Keep Away From Other Girls', 'Who's Got the Action' and 'A Sinner's Devotion'. Although Tammi Terrell recorded 'A Sinner's Devotion' I prefer the better sounding version by Tina Robins. Just listen to what those backing vocalists are asked to sing towards the end and it suggests to me that it might well be a Bacharach production and arrangement as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4vDThp-vP4

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Re: Burt and Bob Hilliard

Postby pljms » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:00 pm

According to the Song By Song book, Martin, Tina Robin's recording of 'A Sinner's Devotion' is a Bacharach demo from '61. Recorded the same year when she was known as Tammi Montgomery, Tammi Terrell's version was eventually released in '67 with less prominent backing vocals than the Tina Robin demo and without the key change.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LsogIQARIEk
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Re: Burt and Bob Hilliard

Postby vincent.cole » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:02 pm

In my judgment, Phil Colbert did an excellent job on;

Who's Got The Action!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0AcFZTMSPY
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Re: Burt and Bob Hilliard

Postby Martin Johnson » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:50 pm

Heard this Bacharach & Hilliard song on my local radio station the other day and the presenter said, "It's remarkable enough that Barry 'The Eve of Destruction' McGuire was the lead vocalist on that, but what's even more remarkable is that is was composed by Burt Bacharach." The recording got to No.1 in the UK EP charts in 1965 and got played a lot, especially on request shows. Whenever I tell friends that BB composed this they never believe me. As novelty records go it's a classic:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RghKdGn8h5A

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Re: Burt and Bob Hilliard

Postby phatmaddness909 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:38 am

I know I'm incredibly late to this forum topic, but I am at a loss in trying to find out more information on Nancy Wilson's cover of "Waitin' For Charlie to Come Home". I was able to find the full album that this came from, but there is nowhere that can tell me the musicians who played on this, specifically the guitarist. I managed to lock down the technical peeps (producer, arranger, engineer), but that's where it ends. Since both Bob and Burt have long since passed, how can one find this info? Thanx in advance.

(Whoopsie. I had to look up his info again because I didn't remember ever hearing about Burt passing...because it hasn't happened! Open fingers, insert foot - forgive me for that! :| )


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