Ronan Keating in the Studio with Burt

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Re: Ronan Keating in the Studio with Burt

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This proves something that we all know: Burt's music never gets old. And generation after generation will be enjoying his genius.

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The fact that the album has risen to No.3 in the UK charts in its second week I think can be put down at least in part to Mothers Day and the fact that Ronan Keating plugged the album on several high-profile TV shows last week. He certainly said all the right things in the interviews that I saw (apart from repeatedly getting Burt’s age wrong – 84?!) and was very self-effacing and full of respect and admiration for BB. Having two teenage daughters I've at least been aware of Ronan Keating for several years and I have to admit I thought they were pulling my leg when they told me a couple of months ago about this unlikely collaboration. Full credit to Ronan for committing himself to a whole album of Bacharach songs, not a sure-fire guarantee of commercial success these days as we all know, and I think that overall he acquits himself very well, although he sounds a tad uncomfortable on one or two of the songs. I suppose it's a sign of BB's advanced age and perhaps a more pragmatic attitude that he's now prepared to hand over most of the arranging duties to others. Most of the arrangements at least keep to the spirit of the originals, but when they don’t I think the results are very mixed - while I like what arranger Joel McNeely does with 'I Just Don't Know What to do with Myself’ I think his arrangement of ‘The Look of Love’ is a mess and is something I've already started to avoid playing. I'm really pleased that three or four of the song choices aren’t the usual suspects, especially ‘Something Big’ and I think it’s good that they used Bacharach’s original arrangement for that underrated gem. However, I wince every time I hear the session singers’ ropey harmonies on the first chorus, the one sung without Ronan, and it's something you don’t expect to hear on an album co-produced by Bacharach. Incidentally, it seems this partnership probably wont stop with this album because in one interview Ronan Keating gave he hinted at a possible follow-up and some UK dates with BB later in the year.

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To those who know Keating from before and know the UK market to some extent: what kind of sales one could expect from a solo album with him? How much of the first several weeks of sales would depend solely on him? Alternatively, how much of the initial sucess can be attributed the quality of Burt's songs?
Were there reviews good enough to attract people who might otherwise hesitate to buy the albun or who would definitely have avoided Keating?
How is his fan base reacting to the album (buying with mixed feelings, or embracing it fully)?
Thanks.

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I understand what you are saying Rio. I think the high sales in the UK are mostly dependent on Ronan Keating. He has a huge fan base in the UK that goes back to his Boyzone days. It is good that Burt Bacharach's music is introduced to a wider audience. I don't think anyone will interpret many of Burt's and Hal David's songs like Dionne Warwick but classic composers will always have new artists interpreting their music. (Dionne Warwick has just brilliantly recorded an amazing selection of Sammy Cahn's songs. 'Only Trust Your Heart').

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I'll try and answer those questions from an RK fan point of view...
Rio wrote:To those who know Keating from before and know the UK market to some extent: what kind of sales one could expect from a solo album with him?
Top 5 normally, if not number one - a lot obviously depends on marketing and promotion but he's a big seller. Promo for this release started late, and because no single was released there was no real airplay, which had us worried. Had this been handled more cleverly, I am sure the album could have done even better.
Rio wrote:How much of the first several weeks of sales would depend solely on him? Alternatively, how much of the initial sucess can be attributed the quality of Burt's songs?
Hard to say. Ronan's a big name in Europe, but Burt's name probably added to the publicity and perhaps made people curious. This may have made up for the initial lack of promo.
Rio wrote:Were there reviews good enough to attract people who might otherwise hesitate to buy the albun or who would definitely have avoided Keating?
Out of the reviews I have read (I haven't read too many though), most were positive. But I have no idea whether many people decide to buy albums based on reviews they've read. I would assume most of those who are undecided check out audio samples online before buying.
Rio wrote:How is his fan base reacting to the album (buying with mixed feelings, or embracing it fully)?
Generally we're happy - Some of us aren't 100% into the type of music that WRMB is but we're happy to give it a try. I must admit that for me, it's all about Ronan's voice. We haven't had an album of original Ronan songs in quite some time so I guess that's what we are all really waiting for. We're very supportive of this release anyway.

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Thank you so much for your response, RKN.

Hope you'll stick around...

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One thing for sure. I LOVE that CD. 'Little Red Book' perfect for Ronan and I think he is the first since Dionne to get remotely close to 'Walk On By' which is a major achievement and 'The Look of Love' since Dusty and despite reservations in the press,I think he is great on Arthur's Theme! But I love that song so much. Only my opinion but would love to hear yours.

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Ihave been listening to this album again tonight .. it's such a refreshing take on all these fabulous Burt andHal songs

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Re: Ronan Keating in the Studio with Burt

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Hi all, long time no post! Hope everyone is well.

I just felt I had to throw my tuppence worth into the Ronan Keating posts. I was quite disheartened when I heard about this collaboration - to me, Ronan has always represented what is wrong with the British music industry - particularly manufactured singers and boy bands. When Louis Walsh first showcased Boyzone on the Late, Late Show, presenter Gay Byrne literally mocked them as all they could do at that point was dance around. Obviously years later (and after thousands of pounds worth of singing lessons) they became the boy band people recognise today. I have never thought Ronan had a voice to speak of and remember once cringeful evening watching him perform at a Frank Sinatra tribute concert in London in the late 90's, believe me, this was truly the worst vocal performace I had ever witnessed from a so-called professional!!

I've listened to the new album and yes, Something Big is ok, but I just dont think Ronan's voice lends itself to Burt's music. He does seem to be a nice guy overall and I don't mean to come across as being negative for the sake of it !Burt also recorded a couple of tracks with Will Young a good few years ago and I felt the same way about him, a terrible voice in my opinion - he even appeared with Burt on stage at a concert I attended in Liverpool, it spoilt it a little.

I understand why Burt works with 'artists' like this but it's a shame that more collaborations such as the one with Ron Isley aren't happening. I'm sure there must be a number of good artists who would love to work with him....I know I would! ;)

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Bonjour Andrew;

Long time no post from you.

I can respect your viewpoint! I too brought the CD with Ronan singing Burt's music. 'Something Big' and 'My Little Red Book' are my favorite. I would have loved to hear John Pagano do the above 2 songs! I told John on Facebook, he would have done these 2 songs justices in the style that would have the Burt Bacharach touch!!!

Not everyone can capture the true essence of Burt's music! Like you, I understand why Burt has younger people perform his songs.

Ron Isley capture what Burt was looking for on their CD!! Youtube really brings this point home when you watch Ron's performance!!!

P.S. Sending out you Burt package this week!

Take care mon ami.

Vincent

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